Tuesday, November 11, 2025

Old 2017 post - licencing

This post is a blast from the past! I wrote it back in 2017 and I was so confused about the change of licence structure because of Brexit. Enjoy:

"I thought I'd share my confusion over the new licensing rules by publishing my recent email to the Civil Aviation Authority. It's full of acronyms as their legal documents are too, and I want the reader to know what I feel like when trying to decipher the information. 


Hopefully other flying readers out there may be able to she'd some light on this, however if not, when (or if) they ever respond I will publish answers for those in the same or similar position to myself.

CAP Aircraft

Dear Sir/Madam,


I have a JAA SEP PPL licence that I will be converting to an EASA one (as it is approaching the 5 year expiry) as I fly EASA aircraft. In addition I fly an annex II aircraft (Piper Super Cub PA-18 for glider towing training) but do not ever intend on flying this as P1. 


I am in the process of differences training* so that i can fly a Motor Glider (T-61 Venture) P1 which I would like to contribute towards the bi-annual 12 hour minimum requirement.
*Only differences trained is required as stated in CAP 804, Part II, Section 5, part A, appendix 1, page 8, section 3.1.1.


But then I am confused because 
CAP 804, Part II, Section 5, part A, appendix 1, page 8, section part 3.1.8 just further down in the same section gives requirements for CAA issued Part-FCL Pilot Licence (A) with TMG's class rating. However, you state that "Self launching motor gliders with non-retractable engine/propeller are TMG's". Therefore is a T-61 a TMG or an SLMG? How do you know?

I also fly gliders (or sailplanes which you refer to the, as in CAP 804) - Puchacz and Astir.
Having spent hours reading CAP804, looking at form SRG1104/ Scheme of charges my questions are:


1a) By 2015 will all glider (sailplane) pilots have to fly a glider with a LAPL Sailplanes and Powered Sailplanes licence?
1b) What is the difference between a 'LAPL for Sailplanes' and a 'Private Pilots Licence Sailplane Pilots Licence'? (both options on SRG 1104, section 6).
1c) If you can selectively choose either option will I *eventually* be able to add a Sailplane Pilots Licence rating/ category/ addition/ type onto my EASA PPL?
1d) Why is it so confusing? :'-(
2) If the answer to question 1a is yes, can I apply for a Sailplane LAPL now (already in possession of a gliding licence) and fly the motor glider T-61 on that EASA LAPL?
3) If the answer to question 2 is no, can I add the SLMG differences training onto my JAA/EASA SEP to fly T-61?
4) If the answer to question 3 is no, should I apply for a National UK Pilots Licence (as it is referred to on the scheme of charges) to add the differences training to or should I apply for an NPPL?
5) Is a National UK Pilots Licence and an NPPL the same thing?
5b) If yes, why do you refer to them as different thing and if no, what is the difference?
6) If I need to apply for a National UK Pilot Licence/ NPPL to fly the motor glider can I count motor glider hours towards my EASA SEP revalidation's?
7) Can I fly the Annex II aircraft as PUT only on an EASA PPL to complete glider towing training?
8) Once finalised, will I be able to fly the T-61 motor glider and EASA gliders on the same LAPL for Sailplanes and Powered Sailplanes (and TMG's) so long as I keep the EASA SEP PPL valid and the gliding licence valid?
9) If I apply for the correct motor glider licence now (whichever it may be, if even at all needed!) once I've completed differences training in the motor glider do I only need my log book signed to fly as P1 or do I need to send another form off?


Kind regards.


At the moment I'm in the process of another airline application which I really really hope I get an interview for so I have been spending literally days on it. The airline isn't based in the UK but they are significantly closer to home. Once again I shall keep you all updated if I hear anything.

Tonight I have a meeting at the gliding club to discuss another new big social event that we could potentially hold. However I have a few issues with regards to the biggest alcohol licence I can get without sitting an exam. I also need to shop to re-stock the bar at the club and buy four made-to measure roller blinds for the social event we are holding on Saturday night. The aim is to generate enough revenue to buy a new parachute so that the club can continue to operate effectively throughout the winter too.

Then off to work in the bar for the night at 8pm."

Super Cub 180

3 comments:

  1. This would be funny if it wasn't so tragic! It seems to me that it would be very easy to fly without the proper licence as I can't imagine the person who would be able to hold all the correct, up-to-date information in their head when checking!

    What do you think about the 19-year-old lad who's just landed a job as a pilot with Ryan air?!

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    1. I think it's amazing. I just hope he doesn't get too bored of it by the time he's my age!
      I do prefer the fact that I've had to work hard for what I have as I know I will be so appreciative of the job when I finally get there...

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  2. ...which you will!

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